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May 30, 2014

Those Who Own the Goalposts

John Kerry, U.S. Secretary of State:

"The bottom line is [Edward Snowden] has betrayed his country, sitting in Russia where he has taken refuge," he said. "You know, he should man up and come back to the United States."

Abby Huntsman, TV host and granddaughter of a billionaire:

"Snowden needs to come home and face the music. That takes courage. Until then he's just a coward."

From The Doubter's Companion by John Ralston Saul, president of PEN international and one of my favorite writers on earth:

The idea of unregulated warfare appeals to our foolish self-pride by suggesting that only a weakling, a coward or an incompetent could be afraid to come out from behind artificial protection in order to fight like a man. Of course only a fool rises to this kind of taunting...

History is filled with a long list of small armies and small nations who have risen to the taunts of large neighbors. The next recorded event is their destruction...

In short, the people who cry loudest...fall into two categories: those who own the goalposts and fools.

—Jon Schwarz

Posted at May 30, 2014 12:56 PM

Kerry KNOWS better. Snowden would end like Manning, or worse, if he even made it back here alive.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at May 30, 2014 03:06 PM

GREAT to read some WORDS of WISDOM, for a change........of course, goes without saying, those of Mr Saul!

Posted by: rupa shah at May 30, 2014 05:50 PM

And yes, welcome home to your Tiny Revolution Jon! You have been missed.

Posted by: rupa at May 30, 2014 06:36 PM

Welcome back. We missed you.

I've been making similar type editorial comments on these frauds at my blog for quite some time now, but none so telling as yours.

Seems that we need everyone in blogtopia to jump on board with this type of exposure in order to cause any positive movement at all on these "freedom" issues.

Posted by: Cirze at May 31, 2014 02:37 PM

I imagine Snowden knows better, too.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at May 31, 2014 09:48 PM

A post!

Spot on, as always. This crap and the chickenhawks' variety of it just never cease.

("Mr. President, we must not allow a machismo gap!")

Posted by: Batocchio at June 1, 2014 04:08 AM

Yeah, it's a phrase often used by bullies, IMO. It's also embarrassingly macho --does anyone ever tell a woman that she should "woman up"?

Snowden should reply that he'll return just as soon as US officials allow an independent and impartial investigation into possible war crimes committed by the US over the past couple of decades, with the possibility of indictments and trials if warranted. I'm sure they'd do a lot of soul-searching, followed by the appointment of a special prosecutor vetted by Amnesty International. Then Snowden would look really sheepish and would have to come home. Problem solved.

Posted by: Donald Johnson at June 1, 2014 09:01 AM

Alternatively, Snowden could say with respect to his own actions that he thinks we should look forward and not back. I think that's an argument that the best sort of criminal has always found effective.

Posted by: Donald Johnson at June 1, 2014 09:03 AM

Saul isn't exactly my favourite person, but he got it in one here.

Yes, there are cowards in this world, but the weaker you are, the less likely is it that when you do something likely to harm your own interests and ruin your life, you are a coward to do that.

In a sense, therefore, accusations of cowardice are the last refuge of the scoundrel. Like the British Army officers in World War I who sentenced men to death for cowardice for fleeing from the mincing-maching that they had created.

Posted by: The Creator at June 1, 2014 12:01 PM

@Mike Meyer
Not only Mr Snowden knows better.......he knows too much for "all law breakers" to sleep soundly.
And, though Mr Johnson's comments are ironical, I would not trust those in power who can make deals..... they are ALL bloody LIARS...habitual.....we surely know ONE perjurer walking the streets free. And even if a deal was made, who could enforce it?? "Oversight" does not exist in their vocabulary.
IMHO, Mr Snowden is wise and should stay away from home and be safe till things change radically on the home front.

Posted by: rupa at June 1, 2014 12:23 PM

rupa shah: AGREED! If he has a lick of sense he'll stay right where he's at. Going to South America or worse yet, Cuba, just puts him only a few footsteps away from GITMO. The State Department did him a favor by taking his passport while he was in Moscow. If they REALLY wanted him they should have let him ride on to his destination.
Some things ya just can't fix and I'm thinking The State Department is one of those things.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 1, 2014 05:11 PM

Donald Johnson: Looking forward not backward---ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT ADVICE concerning Mr. Snowden.

Unless Codpiece, Deadeye, or Rummy set foot on foreign soil I, for one, won't be holding my breath waiting for any of them to stand before a Judge&Jury. As long as they stay HERE they'll live like kings.(and WE can suck it up looking forward not backward)

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 1, 2014 05:22 PM

What is Snowden afraid of, says Kerry, that he won't return and face trial?

Perhaps hearing that the Secretary of State has already declared him guilty? "He has betrayed his country."

Posted by: antonello at June 1, 2014 06:37 PM

Re: Mike Meyer

Kerry likely does not know better. In the book "Integration and Self-Healing: Affect, Trauma and Alexithymia" by Henry Krystal, the author says we don't know what leads up to strong feelings. We slip in and out waking and sleepwalking.

One terrific example of this is when Kerry was recently interviewed on Ukranie. He was rambling along, blasting Russia, until finally he was pressed to talk about the US role. He distracted himself with a joke about how we really shouldn't look into it too hard... wink! In the moment he had the opportunity to be self-critical, he instead chose to charm the interviewer.

Posted by: Lewis at June 1, 2014 11:34 PM

Lewis: Maybe its the ketchup. It contains lycopene which may well have calmed Kerry down from the dayz that spoke out against the immorality of continuing on in Viet Nam. He seemed to me to have approved of Daniel Ellsberg's revelations back then. To mix metaphors, perhaps, since the shoe is on the other foot, the worm has turned.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 2, 2014 03:18 AM

This is not directly related to Jon's post but it is definitely related to whether we will have easy access to his posts....
Thank you for participating...


Posted by: rupa at June 3, 2014 09:43 AM

Mu apologies.....
I meant to paste THIS link....
In any case, nothing lost and a lot gained!!


Posted by: rupa at June 3, 2014 10:03 AM

rupa shah: THANX!!!

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 3, 2014 04:56 PM

Speaking about "honorable worms".

The evidence before the court is incontrovertible
There's no need for the jury to retire
In all my years of judging
I have never seen before
Anyone more deserving of full penalty of law
The way you've made to suffer
Your exquisite wife-mother
Fills me with the urge to defecate
Sentence, my friend, we shall explore your gravest fears
Your sentence is that you be exposed before your peers
Tear down the wall!
(chorus: Tear down the wall)
Tear down the wall!
(chorus: Tear down the wall)
Tear down the wall!
All alone or in twos
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall
Some hand in hand, some gather in bands
The bleeding hearts and artists make their stand
But when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall
After all its not easy
Banging your head against some mad bugger's wall
Pink Floyd--The Wall

Posted by: Mikee Meyer at June 3, 2014 08:54 PM

rupa shah: FCC page still won't display. I'll wait until after midnight when, hopefully, the crowd goes home.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 3, 2014 10:22 PM

I think that the recent NBC interview with Edward Snowden was all about "Rehabilitating" the guy as the negotiations take place for his return to U.S. Soil.

It is paramount for the U.S. to know exactly what the totality of the leak is/was and the need to know/learn counter-measures in reaction to the leak is necessary if the NSA program is to continue.

The country leadership constantly talks about the possible "Human Cost" and loss of life because of the leak, but the real threat is to the U.S. economy itself.

The U.S. propagandized about the transformation from an industrial manufacturing economy to a technological economy.

The real cost is to the huge U.S. owned high-end software and commercial hardware manufacturers as purchasing managers turn their backs on all U.S. made products.

They gotta bring Edward Snowden back to prevent him from talking to the media day after day and year after year. The economic cost is too high.

The negotiated settlement for Snowden's return will be no media appearances for 10 years and to agree to a full de-briefing from NSA officials.


Posted by: Calm at June 3, 2014 10:32 PM

Calm: The NSA already knows what Snowden has, he dipped it ALL out of their bucket.
The real cost is in the erosion of The Constitution not some perceived harm to some corporations. Half of them steal technology from the other half on their own as it is. They don't need a TAXPAYER FUNDED organization to help them with that.
They don't need to care about what has been leaked, its ALL going to hit the headlines anyway.
What they want is someone to lynch from a tree, a head on a pike, to teach US ALL a lesson not to ever let it happen again.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 4, 2014 02:19 AM

@ Mike Meyer
In case, you could not send a comment to FCC,
you could try this website.....


Posted by: rupa at June 4, 2014 08:59 AM

rupa shah: Made it in after midnight last night. THANX.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 4, 2014 05:47 PM