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February 26, 2006

Wow, This Really IS Vietnam

Fred Barnes, executive editor of the Weekly Standard, in 2004:

Should national unity prevail, Iraq's chances of becoming a stable democracy will improve dramatically. I'd like to see one other thing in Iraq, an outbreak of gratitude for the greatest act of benevolence one country has ever done for another.

David Lawrence, editor of US News & World Report, in 1966:

What the United States is doing in Vietnam is the most significant example of philanthropy extended by one people to another that we have witnessed in our times.

SPECIAL ESCHER-LIKE BONUS: The Lawrence quote is mentioned in Rogue State by William Blum...which of course is the book endorsed by Osama bin Laden.

(Barnes quotes thanks to Roger.)

Posted at February 26, 2006 08:21 PM | TrackBack

I just wanted to get word against any of those "second time as farce" comments the so-called anti-war left is fond of making. It is the mark of the intellectual mountebank to grasp for low hanging fruit like that. You all are facile, murderous and dangerous yet strangely impotent. Perhaps it's because you are pro-war without wanting to admit it and actually do favor the beneficence of fuel-air liberation.

Posted by: J. Alva Scruggs at February 26, 2006 08:48 PM

You all are facile, murderous and dangerous yet strangely impotent.

This is exactly right. However, it's important to understand the only reason the so-called "anti-war" left REMAINS impotent and unable to extend their tyranny over all mankind is because of the unblinking vigilance of people such as ourselves and our unblinkingly vigilant blog comments.

Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at February 26, 2006 08:55 PM


This all reminds me of a song I never heard--

"Somewhere Over a Rainbow in Hell"

--I forget, now, who sang it...

Posted by: Mike at February 26, 2006 09:06 PM

Americans have been bemoaning the lack of gratitude of their subject people for the benevolent philanthropy bestowed upon them for centuries. There was an amusing article in the American Historical Review April 1999 about how Americans complained over and over about the lack of a display of proper gratitude from the Cubans for decades after invading it in 1898. The Native Americans didn't exactly greet as liberators either.

Posted by: WIIIAI at February 26, 2006 09:21 PM

Two things. 1) If my neighbor decides to benevolently reach out to me I hope he does it unarmed. 2) I speak only for me, but I'm not anti-war and suspect most of us aren't. I'm anti- unecessary war, imperialism, waging war in a country whose people we are "helping" have asked us to leave, this war and I'm anti- a war which we obviously will never win.

Posted by: spiiderweb at February 26, 2006 09:35 PM

"They do not govern Washington today. But their doctrine rides high."

Not to put too fine a point on the point Cal, but "these 'men'" you speak of have "'goverened' Washington" (AND the world to a greater or lesser extent, depending on where and when one cares to look) AT LEAST since the 'industrial' Martini tipsters whipped the 'agrarial' Julip sipsters in 1860-something...

Posted by: Mike at February 26, 2006 10:14 PM

those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

also, those who sneer at history are doomed to have it bite them in the ass.

Posted by: almostinfamous at February 27, 2006 01:15 AM

Good lord, Jonathan, I was in a grim mood already but I think now you've made me want to go and shoot myself in an unblinkingly vigilant outburst of gratititude.

Posted by: Saheli at February 27, 2006 01:27 AM

those who know history are doomed to repeat it, especially when they know history in the biblical sense.

Posted by: hedgehog at February 27, 2006 01:57 AM

"Strangely impotent" sounds kinda like an overdose of bad viagra. Saheli, one hopes you didn't shoot yourself but sought comfort in a straight shot or two of good, single malt vintage scotch. Swallowed quickly, not sipped.

Posted by: Jesus B. Ochoa at February 27, 2006 10:01 AM

Speaking of ingratitude, Churchill said in a 1922 letter to Lloyd George, “At present we are paying eight millions a year for the privilege of living on an ungrateful volcano out of which we are in no circumstances to get anything worth having.”

Posted by: WIIIAI at February 27, 2006 10:05 AM

This whole mess is another case of OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK. Too bad they are not working for THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. The Iraqi People have a serious problem and always will, they live on top of a giant oilfield. They have to learn to take care or lose their own resourse. We, through the C.I.A., hired Saddam during the 1960's and supported him into power. In 2003 we took him down from power, he was our mess to clean up. Whem we leave we need to take him with us, we could give him to the Hague, or try him ourselves , maybe at Gitmo. Don't be mistaken Bush nor Cheney or anyone in Congress did this for the Iraqi people, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SUPPLIED THE BLOOD AND TREASURE TO REMOVE SADDAM. LET US REMOVE OUR BLOOD AND TREASURE FROM THE IRAQI PEOPLE AND MAYBE PREVENT A SECOND
SADDAM. A true saying, THOSE WHO GIVE CAN TAKE AWAY. Mike Meyer-member Voter Initiative Political Party of Wyoming. VOTES AND SIGNATURES COUNT.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at February 27, 2006 11:23 AM

Yesterday I was talking with an elderly (92 years old) relative of mine. He was in the military during WWII, Korea, & Vietnam. He began to discuss the Iraq situation, but saying "'Nam" instead of Iraq. I pointed it out, and he laughingly agreed there were strong parallels.

He buys the "we did it because we're so idealistic, trying to bring democracy to the natives" line, unfortunately.

Posted by: Freddy the Shreddder at February 27, 2006 12:20 PM

No, Jesus, I did not shoot myself, though shots of single malt vintage scotch might have done me more good than shots of codeine cough syrup.

Posted by: Saheli at February 27, 2006 12:53 PM