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June 01, 2012

Glenn Greenwald and Osama bin Laden: Is There a Difference?

Glenn Greenwald, 2012:

How come there are so many Terrorists in the world who supposedly want to attack the US but not Finland or Peru or South Africa or Japan?

Osama bin Laden, 2004:

Security is an important foundation of human life and free people do not squander their security, contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. Let him tell us why we did not attack Sweden for example.

Two peas in a Hating-America pod.

Ha ha but srsly this is the difference.

—Jon Schwarz

Posted at June 1, 2012 08:36 AM

well, the obl transcript echoes ur theory of asymmetrical critique: "We had no difficulty in dealing with bush and his administration because they resemble the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half by the sons of kings... They have a lot of pride, arrogance, greed and thievery"- and obl's description of bush's reaction to the attack is amusing, and i wonder if Moore plagiarized it for his Fahrenheit 411 critique

Posted by: frankenduf at June 1, 2012 09:35 AM

i wonder if Moore plagiarized it for his Fahrenheit 411 critique

Isn't that part interesting? Though it's the other way around, bin Laden heard about the movie and referenced in this speech.

Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at June 1, 2012 10:18 AM

Right Wing Nuttery, the not-so-silent epidemic.
Speaking of Sweden, when do WE invade? I understand(a gut feeling I have in my gut) they have WMD's and nuclear power. (Then ONWARD to Finland)

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 1, 2012 03:12 PM

I was just thinking about Moore and what a shit he was for not endorsing Kucinich in the primaries. He actually stood on the same stage at a press conference about universal heath care legislation yet he didn't endorse Kucinich. And it was clear before the election that Obama was a war pig. And what is Moore doing now? If he doesn't want us stuck with Obama again, why the hell isn't he doing something to prevent it? Why the hell aren't more people saying the Democratic Party better not nominate Obama because Obama violated the Constitution with his BS war in Libya sold on the lie that he "had to" because civilians were going to be killed and Obama has the audacity to claim the war isn't even hostilities!

Obama needs to be impeached NOW. Obama is also personally involved in the murder of civilians right now. How much longer are we going to put up with this bullshit? As to Fahrenheit 9/11, that was also a major disappointment because it was so deceptive. What was Moore's motive for saying "it was the Saudis" who did 9/11 when we know it was al-Qaeda and that their motive was outrage over U.S. support of Israel and other oppressive regimes including Saudi Arabia? Was the fool trying to start a war with Saudi Arabia? Glaringly absent from his movie is mention of the role US support of Israel had in motivating the 9/11 attack. Moore sure as hell didn't communicate the message that bin Laden was trying to get across.

Posted by: Tom Murphy at June 2, 2012 01:34 AM

"The war," said Mr. A. B. de Villiers, at the People's Congress, "was the most unrighteous war that was ever pursued. The simple aim was to seize the Republics. If that was persisted in, Afrikanders would not rest.... Britain would efface the Republics and make the people slaves. Race hatred would then be prolonged from generation to generation."

To publish abroad such opinions as these was obviously to invite rebellion in the Cape Colony, to encourage the resistance of the Boers, and to embarrass the British authorities, both civil and military, throughout South Africa. This was precisely what the Afrikander nationalist desired to do. But what is to be thought of the Englishmen who, both in the Cape Colony and in England, took part in this "conciliation" movement? Surely they did not desire these same results. Were they, then, the comrades or the dupes of the Afrikander nationalists? This is a question upon which the individual reader may be left to form his own judgment.

Posted by: Lewis at June 2, 2012 03:17 PM

Tom Murphy: Where were YOU when the two white guys, Deadeye and Codpiece, were in office? Cuddausedya to spread the word back then.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 2, 2012 07:41 PM

I was right here in America, trying to get the very same message out. I was walking the streets of NYC with this sign trying to get the truth out. I was posting flyers around NYC in Union Square mainly ONLY TO HAVE MANY RIPPED DOWN! (one of them with only the part mentioning Israel ripped off and leaving the rest of the flyer) I was protesting the planed war on Afghanistan, marching with thousands of others uptown in a protest march against the Afghanistan war. I noticed the press were not covering it (and we were right near the NYT so I went into the lobby and complained to someone and they had me talk to someone upstairs on the phone and I asked why weren't they covering the march. I also asked them why they were ignoring the analysis of people like Noam Chomsky as far as the motives for the terrorist attack on 9/11. The NYT, along with major media, violated the social contract in this country by NOT EVEN REPORTING ON THE MARCH! They violated our dignity, this system is bullshit. There is extreme deception being perpetrated on the public, the NYT is nowhere close ideologically to what people are constantly being led to believe. To not even report on the protest march where thousands marched in NYC is an extreme violation and exposes the powers that be as the ruthless underhanded thugs that they are. They have no respect for the people, it's all about elite power. One of the most vicious violations of our dignity is when the mainstream media fed us the self-serving lie that we were attacked because of our freedoms.

They new damn well why we were attacked, in fact, in the years since, I have looked at the broadcast footage and discovered that Tom Brokaw slipped and read the news of the motive on the morning of 9/11 when he apparently read straight from the Reuters news wire: "Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said Tuesday."(He starts reading it at 11:06 AM by saying, "We have a report here that ...") I think its clear that in the heat of the moment, Tom Brokaw slipped and reported the news because neither Tom Brokaw nor NBC made mention of the motive for the rest of the day and evening of 9/11 and onward, as you may know, this pattern continued. You can see right here in this video Dan Rather showing how a pro can continue the suppression even in the heat of the moment,  watch as he self censors himself and doesn't make the same slip of reporting the news as Brokaw did on the morning of 9/11. (Remember Tom Brokaw continued on air through to the evening and motive was not mentioned by him again nor did Andrea Mitchell report it to the public.)

And it looks like Tom Brokaw doesn't want to admit to himself that he betrayed his country by playing along with the suppression of the motive for the worst attack on the U.S. in U.S. history because his Apr 13, 2011 question for a world leader was asking Osama bin Laden why he attacked on 9/11.

Posted by: Tom Murphy at June 3, 2012 03:06 AM

Everything I post with links is being held, please see the representativepress blog for my reply. (post is called "Where were YOU" from SUNDAY, JUNE 03, 2012

Posted by: Tom Murphy at June 3, 2012 03:10 AM

It's not just Moore, look at Clooney,DeNiro,Streisand...etc. ad infinitum,ad nauseam.

Posted by: par4 at June 3, 2012 08:57 AM

Tom Murphy: I applaud YOUR efforts, Tom. I, myself, have given up on the impeachment process as a remedy for our situation. A corrupt Congress simply cannot apply honesty or TRUTH to such matters, or any matters, it seems. To impeach Obama without prosecuting Bush and Cheney would look like the racism that it is. Based on skin color instead of instead of the actions of a corrupt presidency, even though deserved because of said corruption, FAILS to address the same crimes committed by the the previous administration. Observing the actions of the present Congress shows me that they care little or nothing for OUR nation let alone care for JUSTICE.
LOOK at the people on the street that abuse YOU over YOUR efforts, they care nothing either and they are the majority. Look at the treatment of the Occupy protesters, they are few and and are treated poorly by most of the rest of the nation.
DON'T STOP protesting, KEEP DOING what YOU've been doing, but realize that its going to take a hell of a lot more than the impeachment of one president(if that's even possible at this time) to untie the knot WE're in, so don't let the frustration hold YOU down.

Posted by: Mike Meyerl at June 3, 2012 12:26 PM

Thank you for linking to that excellent 2006 post. I hadn't seen that before. Nice chart!

Posted by: Albert Meyer at June 4, 2012 10:32 PM