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October 24, 2008

Shocking Competency By Progressives

For my entire life, progressives have seemed unable to organize anything more complicated than a birthday party for a two year-old. Yet all of a sudden they're acting like competent adults who want to win.

First of all, Dean Baker and David Rosnick have put together a comprehensive critique of Pete Peterson's embarrassing "documentary" IOUSA.

Secondly, Media Matters and the Center for American Progress have created a site about the real causes of the current economic catastrophe called How Did This Happen?. My guess is it's overly gentle to Democrats, particularly Democrats named Bill Clinton and Robert Rubin. But it's still a worthwhile project.

So, what happened? Did all the incompetent people who wanted to lose die?

—Jonathan Schwarz

Posted at October 24, 2008 02:39 PM

Progressive? In what sense? No longer greedy? No longer stupid? Ought to be quite a sales pitch at this point. There is NO solution to this present problem but time. Time heals all wounds IF the patient survives the cure. IMPEACHMENT (1-202-225-0100)would have given SOME foreknowledge and a possible chance for a bit of surgery to stem the present tide. While late for today's problem, one never knows what George and Dick have for tomorrow's surprise.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at October 24, 2008 03:39 PM

No. We still have Rahm and a shitload of bluedogs.

Posted by: par4 at October 24, 2008 04:45 PM

Bob Shrum is dead?

Posted by: dcs at October 24, 2008 05:11 PM

That Social Security, as mentioned in the PDF file, will remain solvent until the year 2049 with no changes is interesting considering Obama insists that Social Security needs to be fixed.

Posted by: Rob Payne at October 24, 2008 05:41 PM

Jon, have you ever tried to organize a bunch of two-year olds? Say in a game of Duck Duck Goose, or to eat cake without spilling it on the floor? Don't give it short shrift.

Posted by: Seth at October 24, 2008 05:48 PM
Did all the incompetent people who wanted to lose die?

No, they joined THE Maverick's party...losing is in their bones!

Posted by: Rups Shah at October 24, 2008 05:56 PM

How Did It Happen is not just overly gentle to Democrats, but disappears their role in this debacle completely. Rubin and Greenspan killed regulation of derivatives under Clinton. Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act. He also pushed banks to loosen up standards at the low end of the market in exchange for permitting them to securitize of mortgages; thus, housing for the working class and poor could be addressed via "the market" rather than (gulp) social housing. This is a crisis of neoliberalism, not conservatism. And democrats have as much to do with neoliberalism as Republicans. Tt was Carter who started deregulation and killed Federal urban policy! I'm voting for Obama, but c'mon - let's be real.

Posted by: JB at October 24, 2008 05:57 PM

um. i just had a medium-length argument with a big CAP person who not only refused to acknowledge any democratic responsibility but pinned (actually, f***ing speared ) all non-republican blame on ralph nader. so i would say... yes... "gentle" is a good word....

Posted by: hapa at October 24, 2008 09:03 PM

"Did all the incompetent people who wanted to lose die?"

No, they just decided that winning, in and of itself, was more important than the thing won (cough*Eric Alterman*cough). Who knew Al Davis would be adopted as the patron saint of Democratic partisans? Just win, baby!

Posted by: jm at October 25, 2008 01:04 AM

Posted by: prince at October 25, 2008 03:02 AM

Neoliberal Democrats are erased from the pages of time, as is the role of Fed monetary policy. The latter should be there: whether it's as "myth" or "fact" I don't care, honest attempts to answer the question would address it.

Posted by: buermann at October 25, 2008 05:35 AM

please do not mix dr dean baker and them dem apologists in same para .
what a useless and meaningless term progressive has become

Posted by: badri at October 25, 2008 01:30 PM

dude par4 perhaps it is time to actually read and UNDERSTAND some history and get over your koolaid " it is all fault of them bluedogs and that only if we had " better democrats "

Posted by: badri at October 25, 2008 01:34 PM

I’m not really impressed with the “Fisking” of IOUSA by Baker and Rosnick.
I agree about the exaggeration of the Social Security problem and the potential problems of health care costs, but the rest of it seems to be mainly baseless assertions decrying other “assertions”. Plus it seems to have a very Cheney-like “Deficits don’t Matter” theme to it. Maybe Cheney will be inviting them to hunting trips soon.

Posted by: KevinD at October 25, 2008 01:35 PM

It isn't necessarily that they want to win, it's that they're winning regardless and they're going along for the ride. Imagine what an Obama win will do for Democratic-leaning think tanks and other not-for-profits. Ducats galore, my man. For once it's safe to be on what passes on K Street these days as the right side of history.

Posted by: weldon berger at October 25, 2008 01:47 PM

... and also and not coincidentally Democratic lobbyists, many of whom will be staffers of Congressional Democrats who voted for the theft of $750 billion. Mmmm, yummy.

Posted by: weldon berger at October 25, 2008 01:53 PM