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January 23, 2008


Who IS Ioz?

—Jonathan Schwarz

Posted at January 23, 2008 10:59 AM

The read on TNR is a touch harsh, but on target.
Problem is, most of us knowledgeable about the Holocaust (my parents and I just made it out of Vienna past the Anschluss) don't want to touch the TNR/Finkelstein/Dershowitz/et al kind of shouting matches with a ten-foot Torah.
Of course, "ugly Jews" exist and any novelist or screenwriter can put them into his or her work. But then one side shouts "Anti-Semitism" and the other side uses the portrayal for practicing it. A plague on both houses.

Posted by: donescobar at January 23, 2008 12:44 PM

donescobar: Ain't life crazy.

Posted by: Mike Meyer at January 23, 2008 01:31 PM

For some reason, a copy of TNR showed up in my mailbox yesterday, with a label indicating that the subscription runs through the end of 2008, something like two years after I thought I'd finally killed off the gift subscription my parents have been giving me for a couple of decades. Won't it ever stop?

Posted by: darrelplant at January 23, 2008 01:35 PM

I thought we'd already settled this question! Write some more about literature, IO-, um, I mean, "Jon"!

Posted by: Upside Down Flag at January 23, 2008 02:49 PM

I thank myself for the link.

Posted by: IOZ at January 23, 2008 03:27 PM

I thank myself for the link.

I'm welcome.

Posted by: Jonathan Schwarz at January 23, 2008 04:04 PM

If Dershowitz doesn't make all self-hating Jews out there feel bad enough, I recommend David Mamet's The Wicked Son: Anti-Semitism, Self-Hatred, and the Jews. It was like visiting a relative you know is going to scream at you for three hours about how awful you are, but you go anyway out of some kind of protozoaic hope that this time will be different, and you can just talk about old times and football and maybe a little military history. Then BOOM!

At said visit, I referred to Israel's reputation since 1967 as "tainted."

A relative then said, "I'm uncomfortable with that word."

"Um, controversial?"

A nod, and the conversation could proceed.

He's part of that large group I call Used To Be Liberal Except About Israel, Now The Rest of Their Views Mirror Their Right-Wing Israelo-Mania. Though I guess to Mamet we're all worse than Hitler.


(in Russia my family's name was "Flamingovsky")

Posted by: Stinky Flamingo at January 23, 2008 04:35 PM

I believe it was Dershowitz who said that torture worked for the Nazis so we should use it too. Apparently, losing the war and totally f*cking up your country and several other countries is not a good enough reason not to imitate the Nazis.

Nice future they have planned for us and everyone else.

Posted by: Susan - NC at January 23, 2008 09:51 PM

Susan-NC: And it works EVERY time. (torture-check, lose war-check, ruin country-check, ruin other countries-check, yep it works)

Posted by: Mike Meyer at January 24, 2008 12:41 AM