Comments: Oliver Stone's Untold, Unboring History of the United States

I watched the programme last night. Enjoyed it thoroughly, more so because I learnt something new specially about VP Henry Wallace..... I did not know ANYTHING about him. How sad and unfortunate it is that We, Americans do not recognise REAL LEADERS like Henry Wallace or Dennis Kucinich and fall for WARMONGERS!! Now I can say it. Mr Kucinich was my 'write in' candidate on Nov 6th.
Thank you Mr Stone.

Posted by Rupa Shha at November 13, 2012 09:03 AM

Well, Howard Zinn's people's history was pretty good. He also has a graphic novel of the people's history of American empire. My son loved it.

Posted by Pathman at November 13, 2012 09:52 AM

Thanks so much for posting, I keep checking your blog because it is always some inspiring/eyeopening truth-gem that I couldn't/wouldn't find anywhere else. I've missed your posts for awhile, but I'm sure this kind of reporting doesn't come easy so I keep checking until it appears and it is always rewarding, thought provoking, and penetrating. Of course, the comments are generally awesome as well.

Posted by knowdoubt at November 13, 2012 11:13 AM

Thanks so much for posting, I keep checking your blog because it is always some inspiring/eyeopening truth-gem that I couldn't/wouldn't find anywhere else. I've missed your posts for awhile, but I'm sure this kind of reporting doesn't come easy so I keep checking until it appears and it is always rewarding, thought provoking, and penetrating. Of course, the comments are generally awesome as well.

Posted by knowdoubt at November 13, 2012 11:14 AM

I don't remember now where I read it, but sometime in the 80s and 90s I read that many Russians thought Stalin had killed maybe 1 or 2 thousand people, and that maybe he'd made a few mistakes but what the Soviet Union needed was another strong leader like him. (I imagine some also thought that he might have disappointed some people, but you can't expect a leader to please you 100% because the perfect is the enemy of the good.)

James Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me is also a good book on why students hate history because of the way it's taught.

Posted by Duncan at November 13, 2012 11:16 AM

Today, the Financial Times called, in its lead editorial, for "Rethink on drones after Petraeus exit." They note that since the September 11 attacks, "the CIA has shifted from being an intelligence-gathering operation to a paramilitary organisation that kills terrorist suspects in Pakistan, the Middle East and Africa. Gen. Petraeus's appoint to the CIA in 2011 after 37 years in the military crystallised that shift. This year he reportedly ordered a big expansion in the CIA's fleet of killer drones to step up operations against jihadists. But such drone operations are increasingly questionable on legal, moral and political grounds....Such actions...ultimately act against US interests. As Kurt Volker, the former US ambassador to NATO under George W. Bush, has argued, they give foreigners the impression that the US is a country 'with a permanent kill list.' "

As a foreigner wrote, a couple of hundred years ago, in a poem inspired by seeing an insect on a hat on a lady at a church:

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!

Posted by mistah charley, ph.d. at November 13, 2012 02:15 PM

I'll have to watch the show. I'm wondering if The Indians of the last 70 years are mentioned and what's about them. I'm wondering if all the science and weapon systems WE got as "spoils-o-war", ICBM's, stealth aircraft technology, jet aircraft technology, etc., the Nazi Scientists and Camp Guards/Gestapo, WE imported after the war, will be mentioned.

Posted by Mike Meyer at November 13, 2012 02:27 PM

VOICEOVER (Schwarz): "a slave loves molasses; he steals some. His master, in many cases, goes off to town, and buys a large quantity; he returns, takes his whip, and commands the slave to eat the molasses, until the poor fellow is made sick at the very mention of it..., if he complains that he cannot eat it, he is said to be satisfied neither full nor fasting, and is whipped for being hard to please"

CUT TO SCHWARZ TURNING PAGE

CUT TO CLASSROOM OF BORED PUPILS

CLOSEUP OF TEACHER

TEACHER: Mr. Schwarz, eyes up here. The reading is for homework, alone when it's not fresh on your mind and you would rather be asleep, you lazy teenager.

Alright then, class, now that you have had one week to read the book --

STUDENTS (bravely): "we need more time"

CUT TO SWEAT ON TEMPLE OF RANDOM STUDENT

CUT TO STUDENTS PILING IN AFTER BELL

CUT TO CLOSE UP OF QUIZ

TEACHER (in background): You may begin.

1. What was Mr. Douglass's first name?
2. Mr. Douglass doesn't seem to like slavery too much. But since he believes in fairness, we should too. What is good about slavery?
3. Would you recommend this book to a friend? How many?

Posted by Lewis at November 13, 2012 04:09 PM

Wallace was written out of the party's history after his Progressive Party run in 1948. It became apparent that the CPUSA was actually pulling the strings, which cost him votes.

Interestingly, Wallace's replacement in 1944 was self-inflicted. Frances Perkins, his friend and ally, tried to persuade him to return from abroad for the Democratic Convention, but he wouldn't listen.

There was one other occasion when a radical came very close to the presidency: had Andrew Johnson been impeached, his replacement would have been Benjamin Wade, a Radical Republican.

Posted by Will at November 13, 2012 08:58 PM

Thanks for the rec.

Posted by Batocchio at November 14, 2012 02:14 AM

I read an article on Huffpo, I believe, yesterday, about the 911 narrative being corrupted in an American History book now being taught in some schools.

Keep feeding the horses and the horseshit never ends.

Posted by Mike Meyer at November 15, 2012 11:36 AM

The US played only a minor role in winning World War II? You might investigate the existence of something called "the Pacific Theater."

Posted by William Burns at November 15, 2012 08:52 PM

This film is available for download at UseNet.

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Calm

Posted by Calm at November 15, 2012 09:34 PM

The way I learned it, Russia lost 2 million to the Nazis (more than enough, in anybody's book), and 30 million to Stalin himself. Maybe the 2M were Russian soldiers, with 60M total between Hitler and Stalin? The majority could be in Stalin's column anyway, given his policy of executing effective officers. I'd better read it myself.

If you like killing people, you had better not stop at less than a thousand. With fewer, you're a monster; more, you're a Leader. Does Mao still take the prize, or is it Walter Raleigh?

Posted by Nathan Myers at November 15, 2012 09:46 PM

"The way I learned it, Russia lost 2 million to the Nazis...and 30 million to Stalin himself."

You might have heard that, but it was wrong.

Timothy Snyder on Hitler vs Stalin, who was worse

Posted by Donald Johnson at November 16, 2012 04:02 PM

Donald Johnson: EXCELLENT-THANX.

OT. They're burning Gaza tonight. Must be election time in Israel again. The whole world has learned much from Herr Hitler and Comrade Stalin---much.

Posted by Mike Meyer at November 16, 2012 05:41 PM

More than 74 percent of the Wehrmacht’s total losses (10 million soldiers out of 13.4 million) resulted from battles with the Soviet army.

The Red Army eliminated and captured 607 enemy divisions in 1941-1945, compared with 176 divisions eliminated by British and American troops.

Nazi Germany had six times more personnel killed and wounded on the Eastern front than in the Western Front and in the Mediterranean Theater combined.

50 Nazi divisions took part in the battle of Kursk, twice as much as on the entire Westen front in 1943.

74% of Nazi Germany's causalties occured in battles with the SU. The other 25 allied countries combined accounted for the 26%.

21-27 millions Soviet citizens were killed in WWII. The exact number is unknown.

800.000 Nazi soldiers were killed at the Battle of Stalingrad, seven time more than on the African Front during the entire war.

U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt said: “I find it difficult to get away from the simple fact that the Russian armies are killing more Axis personnel and destroying more Axis materiel than all the other 25 nations put together.”

Historians confirms that the Eastern Front was decisive in determinig the outcome of WWII, eventualy becoming the main reason of Germany's defeat.

Accutualy, SU alone could defeat Geramny alone!

Posted by neretva at November 18, 2012 11:44 AM