Comments: Colin Powell Gets Mad at Me

this is the problem with not prosecuting war crimes- in this context, both powell and Schwarz would agree on the moral: Lying- It Worked For Me: In Life And Leadership

Posted by frankenduf at May 10, 2012 01:27 PM

I would find all of this evidence very convincing if it came from someone who wasn't a blogger.

Posted by Portmanteur at May 10, 2012 03:10 PM

He HAD to kill his conscience ( if he had any to start with ) to start the obscene war ( thanks to his so called alleged credibility ) with his lies, which continue today.......

As told to Mainichi of Japan...
"It was the intelligence that was wrong. I did not make up this information; I did not invent it; I did not pull it out of the air. It was information that our intelligence community stood behind," he stated.
Sept. 4, 2010

HOW COULD he say with a straight face, he did not know or that he was not lying? No wonder, he is mad at the bloggers because THEY KNOW, it has always been lies and lies and lies from the so called "American statesman" and a retired four-star general in the United States Army... for sure, we can do without such "Statesmen".

@Portmanteur

Should I hold my breath for someone from the MSM to give this evidence? I will die of hypoxia.

Posted by Rupa Shah at May 10, 2012 03:18 PM

Outstanding. Thanks for taking the time to put all of this together.

Posted by John Caruso at May 11, 2012 12:18 AM

Thanks for bringing this up yet again. It makes such a fine contrast with the keen observations of Richard Cohen at the time:

This is where Colin Powell brought us all yesterday. The evidence he presented to the United Nations -- some of it circumstantial, some of it absolutely bone-chilling in its detail -- had to prove to anyone that Iraq not only hasn't accounted for its weapons of mass destruction but without a doubt still retains them. Only a fool -- or possibly a Frenchman -- could conclude otherwise.

Posted by Batocchio at May 11, 2012 12:32 AM

He, like Bush, will not admit his own agency. This brings me to wonder: should we regret Powell had not gone into animating the dead and/or pagan idolatry?

"I avoided explanation and maintained a continual silence concerning the wretch I had created. I had a persuasion that I should be supposed mad, and this in itself would forever have chained my tongue." -- Frankenstein by Mary Shelley

"Then they gave me the gold, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf!” Exodus 32:24

Posted by Lewis at May 11, 2012 07:12 AM

Powell would be a good running mate for Romney.

Posted by mistah 'MICFiC' charley, ph.d. at May 11, 2012 10:22 AM

You know what I hate about bloggers? They're so unserious. Unlike General Colin Powell. Here are the 13 rules he lays out in his oh-so-serious book. (Cut-and-pasted from Amazon.com)

CLP's Thirteen Rules:

It ain't as bad as you think. It will look better in the morning.
Get mad, then get over it.
Avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it.
It can be done!
Be careful what you choose. You may get it.
Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision.
You can't make someone else's choices. You shouldn't let someone else make yours.
Check small things.
Share credit.
Remain calm. Be kind.
Have a vision. Be demanding.
Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers.
Perpetual optimism is a force multiplier.
-------------------------------------

Our lesson for today, kids?

"Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision." + "Perpetual optimism is a force multiplier." + "Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers" = SUCCESS IN IRAQ!

Posted by tom allen at May 11, 2012 12:08 PM

Its been almost 10 years of war there. I believe WE have a greater systemic problem than Colin Powell's lies. (suckers for anything IMHO)

Posted by Mike Meyer at May 11, 2012 01:23 PM

anyone who said in 2002 or 2003 that there were WMDs in Iraq were either TOOLS OR FOOLS..... or both.

Posted by Susan at May 11, 2012 06:29 PM

Saddam gave them the opening for this lie, when the Babylon project was discovered. Remember, he'd had gun segments manufactured to appear as components of pipeline pressure vessels. It wasn't hard for war hawks to make the logical leap, that he was at it again. Powell might have been just a duped follower, but I don't believe it. He'd earned a name, as someone who could be trusted to keep secrets - and his involvement in Iran/Contra was much larger, overseeing the transfer of TOW missile spare parts, from US National Guard armories, to Iraq.

Posted by heubler at May 12, 2012 09:50 AM

Oops. Make that Iran.

Posted by heubler at May 12, 2012 09:52 AM

Powell also orchestrated the coverup of U.S. crimes during the invasion of Panama.

Posted by Edward at May 12, 2012 10:08 AM

Wow. And now McChrystal is out getting $60,000 per speech and teaching a class at Yale that is closed door, no journalists allowed, when he should be standing for court martial. Eisenhower had the right idea...the military takeover of our government, our budget, the lies, the coverups, the fight to keep us fighting with bulging DOD budgets going mostly to Haliburton for a privatized 55% of military operations...the horror stories of people representing us buying teenage and pre-teen girls to use as sex slaves, using citizens for target practice...when will we have enough of the ugliness we have become?

Posted by whattashame at May 12, 2012 10:51 AM

Wow. And now McChrystal is out getting $60,000 per speech and teaching a class at Yale that is closed door, no journalists allowed, when he should be standing for court martial. Eisenhower had the right idea...the military takeover of our government, our budget, the lies, the coverups, the fight to keep us fighting with bulging DOD budgets going mostly to Haliburton for a privatized 55% of military operations...the horror stories of people representing us buying teenage and pre-teen girls to use as sex slaves, using citizens for target practice...when will we have enough of the ugliness we have become?

Posted by whattashame at May 12, 2012 10:51 AM

Who the hell is Colon Powell?
This is just another example of you constructing an elaborate scheme just to avoid giving me my (large) CASH.
Pay up professor!

... Or I'll squeal about the dirty weekend you spent with those newborn puppies and kittens in a Motel 6 in Cranston.

HAPPY MOtHERs DAYy!

Posted by Figarini Pushterinkostonsonbergdon at May 13, 2012 11:38 AM

Kudos. Allow me to add the missing lie in this story which, back then, made me gasp at its audacity. Surely, I thought, journalists will jump on this one. It didn't even make sense and certainly could never have been taken seriously by a military man like Powell. (NYT and LAT did indeed report on it, but that was drowned out by their own columnists like Maureen Dowd gushing that now she was convinced by the evidence.)

It was the accusation about the WMD-producing terrorist camp of Ansar al Islam in Khurmal - or Sargat, as was later said - well in Kurdish territory and near the no fly zone.

Why on earth would terrorists under Saddam's protection establish themselves in Kurdistan, that is, hostile and largely autonomous territory? Wouldn't it have made more sense to be in some place firmly under Saddam's control, where his anti-aircraft guns and military could protect them?

By the way, when war broke out, the US didn't even bother to send any military to that area.

Posted by Hans B at May 13, 2012 01:39 PM

Kudos. Allow me to add the missing lie in this story which, back then, made me gasp at its audacity. Surely, I thought, journalists will jump on this one. It didn't even make sense and certainly could never have been taken seriously by a military man like Powell. (NYT and LAT did indeed report on it, but that was drowned out by their own columnists like Maureen Dowd gushing that now she was convinced by the evidence.)

It was the accusation about the WMD-producing terrorist camp of Ansar al Islam in Khurmal - or Sargat, as was later said - well in Kurdish territory and near the no fly zone.

Why on earth would terrorists under Saddam's protection establish themselves in Kurdistan, that is, hostile and largely autonomous territory? Wouldn't it have made more sense to be in some place firmly under Saddam's control, where his anti-aircraft guns and military could protect them?

By the way, when war broke out, the US didn't even bother to send any military to that area.

Posted by Hans B at May 13, 2012 01:40 PM

Colin Powell is a great example of just how impermeable "Reputation" is a presented in the corporate media. Once the facade has been built and broadly accepted it endures no matter what evidence that he's a lying sack of shit may be presented.

Posted by Bill Jones at May 13, 2012 06:47 PM

Completely ignored at the time, and forgotten by nearly everyone today, is the fact that before the war, Saddam issued a detailed statement to the U.N. about his WMD programs and how they had been dismantled and the weapons destroyed. It was dismissed out of hand by the Bush Administration at the time, and probably sits in a file somewhere as the most accurate statement ever made about Iraq and WMN circa 2003 at the time we went to war against Iraq and Saddam for his WMD.

Posted by Lucian K. Truscott IV at May 13, 2012 08:14 PM

Completely ignored at the time, and forgotten by nearly everyone today, is the fact that before the war, Saddam issued a detailed statement to the U.N. about his WMD programs and how they had been dismantled and the weapons destroyed. It was dismissed out of hand by the Bush Administration at the time, and probably sits in a file somewhere as the most accurate statement ever made about Iraq and WMN circa 2003 at the time we went to war against Iraq and Saddam for his WMD.

Posted by Lucian K. Truscott IV at May 13, 2012 08:14 PM

The odd thing about Powell is he could have been president. Well that may be a stretch because he could not have won a GOP nomination and changing parties would have been problematical but if somehow he would have been on the ballot in 2000 for either party he could have won. Instead he got Bush elected. (note he bravely said his wife urged him not to run for the GOP nomination out of fear for his safety. Do you recall Obama chickening out(

Make no mistake, if Powell had not been one of the 'good advisers' millions of Bush voters took comfort in to settle their qualms about Bush's vast obvious weaknesses then Bush never would have had a chance to get selected by the SC.

Subsequently Chaney tried to dump him but Bush insisted he be SOS and then Cheney et al shit on Colin for 4 years, treating him with total contempt and otherwise running their own foreign policy. One wonders what sort of man still, now, after all that, serving others as showpiece/errand boy, still serves them.

I can think of no historic analog for Powell.

Posted by rapier at May 13, 2012 09:38 PM

Well I've always said either Colon Powell was lying or he is too stupid to be a general or anything else.

When Colon was in front of the UN I was yelling at the TV especially when he talked about the aluminum tubes since there had been at least 2 articles (at least 1 in the NYT) on the fact that they had the wrong dimension to be used for uranium enrichment and they had a coating on them needed if they were for their stated purpose but making them totally useless in centrifuges.

My husband was so mad at me he yelled how could I know more than Colon and if Colon was wrong and there weren't any WMD's he would vote for the democrat in the next election.

Needless to say several moons later he sheepishly came and said I was right and Colon was wrong and voted for John Kerry. You have no idea what an amzing thing that is, my husband voting for the democratic candidate for president.

Posted by Bornagaindem at May 14, 2012 07:23 PM