Comments: Under Obama, Speaking Up For Human Rights Is A Firing Offense

Shades of Jose Padilia.

Posted by Mike Meyer at March 13, 2011 05:27 PM

Shades of Jose Padilia.

Posted by Mike Meyer at March 13, 2011 05:27 PM

It's unfortunate that Crowley didn't say that what's happening to Manning is actually wrong and illegal but at least it's a start.

Posted by pb at March 13, 2011 05:34 PM

Well theyre not programmed for that, but his algorithm is showing signs of compassion. Ymmv.

Posted by demize! at March 13, 2011 05:43 PM

We are finished.

Posted by herzog at March 13, 2011 05:43 PM

Crowley was right, but he was speaking off brief, which is why he was fired. The more effective way to do that is to quit one's job because of moral disgust, and then go on the road denouncing. This way is cake-and-eat-it, too.

Posted by Glenn Fleishman at March 13, 2011 06:21 PM

Crowley was asked by the BBC reporter present if she could print his comments and he said, after a brief pause, "Sure." The pause was where he considered the likelihood of losing his job, and went for it. JPC has been a detestable tool as State's spokesperson, and a richly mockable hypocrite as its chief tweeter, but damned if he didn't screw up the courage to do something useful, if just the once.

Posted by Nell at March 13, 2011 08:48 PM

Nell: Perhaps he was tired of being a Real American and just wants to be a Regular American.

Posted by Mike Meyer at March 13, 2011 09:10 PM

Nell: Perhaps he was tired of being a Real American and just wants to be a Regular American.

Posted by Mike Meyer at March 13, 2011 09:11 PM

Mostly I think what Crowley's firing shows is that nobody can cross the Pentagon these days.

As to Nell's point about Crowley's courage, the pause does seem to show an awareness of consequences, but Crowley might have just not wanted to lose face before his small immediate audience. Maybe he found some courage for once, but that he did is a little speculative and strikes me as a generous interpretation of his pause.

Meanwhile, over at Commondreams there is a link to a Daniel Ellsberg article on the despicable torture of Bradley Manning, and Andy Worthington has been writing about that too. Worthington seems pretty clear that they intend to kill Manning, and I don't doubt it.

The President's resolute and unflinching moral abstentionism about this and so much else makes it hard not to evaluate him in fecal terms.

Posted by N E at March 13, 2011 09:58 PM

Mostly I think what Crowley's firing shows is that nobody can cross the Pentagon these days.

Wasn't McChrystal fired?

Posted by Happy Jack at March 13, 2011 10:41 PM

Happy Jack

Oh please. McChrystal openly mocked the Vice President, the President, and basically the whole damn civilian leadership of the government on the record to a journalist, and what was the severe penalty he faced? He had to resign, and in retirement he was allowed to keep his fourth star even though he hadn't had it the required three years. (No torture for him.) Plus, McChrystal got to join the boards of some giant government defense contractors, presumably for a hefty pay increase, and go around making speeches for a ridiculous fee. Possibly he no longer has the perk of being able to have people killed, as he did in his former job, but I wouldn't be so sure about that.

As for the Pentagon, how did it hurt them? Petraeus replaced him, and Petraeus does what he damn well pleases to a far greater extent than our civilian leadership, including the President, because none of them obviously seem able to go to the crapper without worrying about how it will scare off their funders and otehrwise ruin them politically.

My God, why is it so hard to see that we have a lot more civilian control of the military than we actually do in practice?

Posted by N E at March 14, 2011 07:45 AM

Thank god for some sane commentry on this instead of that Pwoggie nonsense of "Crowley for president" as if the asshole was any good for anything. And also for identifying what the real point here was -- Obama being embarrassed.

Posted by DavidByron at March 14, 2011 06:27 PM

Crowley was right, but he was speaking off brief, which is why he was fired. The more effective way to do that is to quit one's job because of moral disgust, and then go on the road denouncing. This way is cake-and-eat-it, too.

How dare people go around thinking they can have the cake of not making excuses for monstrous behavior while also eating the cake of having a livelihood.

Posted by dan at March 14, 2011 07:04 PM

I got through "mostly I think what Crowley's firing shows is that nobody can cross the Pentagon these days" before I realized I was subjecting myself to NE. Since I'll never get back those wasted seconds of my life, I'll just point out that it takes real dedication to shielding Obama from any and all responsibility to look at an article that explicitly states this resignation "came under pressure from the White House, where officials were furious about his suggestion that the Obama administration is mistreating Manning" and then try to pin the blame on the Pentagon. Proving once again that reality is no impediment at all to a committed Obama apologist.

Posted by John Caruso at March 14, 2011 11:52 PM

Ah, JC, as a learning exercise sometime practice considering the possibility that once, sometime, somewhere, somehow, you didn't already have all the answers. Then follow the ripples outward from that wasted moment and see where they lead.
If nothing else, you'll be happier.

This Kwai Change Caine wasted moment has been brought to you by your Shaolin brother NE.

Posted by N E at March 15, 2011 06:36 AM

Ah so, Hung Chow, THIS President WILL get rid of anyone for just the meer appearance of being off The Republican message.

Posted by Mike Meyer at March 15, 2011 12:18 PM