Comments: No Good Idea Ever Dies

Soooo, that proves that lightning does strike twice in the same place???

Posted by Mike Meyer at October 15, 2010 01:59 PM

Minor technical point, but from the Salon article this is odd--

"During that time we had U-2 aircraft on reconnaissance sorties over Iraq. These planes were designed to fly at extremely high speeds and altitudes (over seventy thousand feet) both for pilot safety and to avoid detection."

U-2 planes don't fly fast. SR-71's fly extremely fast. Did he get them mixed up?

Posted by Donald Johnson at October 15, 2010 02:03 PM

two words and a number:

"Project for the New American Century"

"A new Pearl Harbor"


Not that that's proof or anything - but still, it makes you wonder

Posted by mistah charley, ph.d. at October 15, 2010 02:07 PM

There goes Jon's invitation to Jon Stewart's rally to restore sanity!

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Posted by Mike Meyer at October 15, 2010 02:33 PM

In the 2000 presidential race, Al Gore was actually more hawkish then Bush. Once he left politics, it was safe for him to oppose the badly managed, unpopular war against Iraq.

Posted by Edward at October 15, 2010 03:01 PM

Justin Elliot dates the meeting in the LATE 1990s.

Well, I have to wonder if the plan was inspired by the Mrkonjić Grad incident. Remember the pilot shot down in 1995 by the Bosnian Serb Army? (I think they made a hero movie out of it.)

But plotting a scheming and actually doing something are two different things. I think Clinton had enough advisers telling him that taking out Saddam would remove an enemy of Iran. Bad idea. Bad idea.

Posted by Paul Avery at October 15, 2010 03:24 PM

My, my, what a *cough Operation Northwoods cough* surprise!

Posted by Neal Deesit at October 15, 2010 04:55 PM

Minor point of non-disagreement agreement, but scumbags is understating things a bit. That is psychopath territory.

Posted by Justin at October 15, 2010 06:01 PM

For some reason, this reminds me of the Gary Powers U2 incident... As I recall reading somewhere, in all previous secret U2 Russia overflights (which the Russians knew about but were willing to diplomatically ignore, since they didn't want to admit they were helpless to stop them), the flights were straight over Russia until they were picked up on radar, and then the plane would veer in an unpredictable direction, preventing a shootdown. A very important summit meeting was scheduled, and no more flights were planned... but Eisenhower either wanted one more to verify something or other or was talked into authorizing one last flight... Something like that.. But on this final mission, "they" had Gary Powers fly his U2 over Russia and then continue in exactly the same direction which enabled them to shoot him down - which forced the Russians and the US to admit the overflights had been going on, which prompted a scuttling of the summit meeting, along with any hopes of ending the Cold War, uh, prematurely. Does this sound familiar? Do I have this right?

Posted by steve the artguy at October 15, 2010 08:23 PM

It reminds one of the Tonkin Gulf and the attack against an American naval ship by the North Vietnamese that somehow didn't really happen but was used to escalate the Vietnam War by LBJ. Who says we don't learn from our experiences?

Posted by Rob Payne at October 16, 2010 01:59 AM

Don't forget about P2OG:

Well, thank Hope we've got a good man running things now!

Posted by marcus at October 16, 2010 12:30 PM

Making up excuses for war is an American tradition.

October 7, 1940: The Day That Should Have Lived in Infamy

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Posted by sunderlandgrl at October 18, 2010 05:56 AM

I'm sure Miss Albright felt the loss of one life was worth the price considering the loss of 500,000 Iraqi children's lives was worth it.

Posted by Stupid Git at October 22, 2010 03:55 AM