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OK, this guy is insofferable on all kinds of levels, but what evidence is there anyone listened to him?

Posted by donescobar at January 2, 2009 07:15 PM

what evidence is there anyone listened to him?

Well, see the reference to "current events," above.

Let me also gently suggest that the "what evidence is there anyone listened to him?" standard is not one you utilize when it comes to the Arab world.

That aside, I certainly give two thumbs up to "insofferable," whether it was on purpose or not.

Posted by Jonathan Schwarz at January 2, 2009 07:23 PM

or, "I'm not a monster, I've just said things that others have construed as monstrous. Sheesh."

The language is also comparable to 19th century discussions of the North American Indians, and Conrad's famous last line from Heart of Darkness, which I dimly recall you reviewed a few years back.

Come to think of it, the pattern of settlement of the West Bank seems like Israel means to create a system of discontiguous Palistinian reservations, suggesting that the Knesset has keener students of US history than our government does.

Posted by Jonathan Versen at January 2, 2009 08:06 PM

From my reading of the Hebrew press, Arnon Soffer is widely respected and listened to. He does not appear to have served in any cabinet position, but he has certainly been a consultant to the Israeli government, as well as its military.

As a loud proponent of what he calls "the demographic problem", Soffer's view of Palestinians seems to be that there are too many of them. He is emblematic of the idea that Palestinians should just up and disappear.

I actively wish that man ill.

Posted by Dena Shunra at January 2, 2009 09:01 PM


In any case, there's not enough fresh water for the two populations, so it makes no difference. We understand now that we have no choice but to increase desalination.

Look, you probably drink coffee. How much does your cup of coffee cost you at your local cafe'? NIS 10. That's $2. Do you know how much water you can purify for $2? The Palestinians cannot afford this, but we can.

the arab league can afford it. iran can afford it. israel can afford to bomb what they build.

Posted by hapa at January 2, 2009 10:02 PM

never let it be said global warming cannot be used as a weapon. never never never.

Posted by hapa at January 2, 2009 10:18 PM


Posted by Mike Meyer at January 2, 2009 11:17 PM

Poster Dena Shurna has instantly educated me as per the consultant information. I see now what IS happening, much like "what the meaning if IS IS". The Honored Professor doesn't mean him and somebody else when he says WE. He means U and somebody else. Since hes a 'military' adviser, he probably can't hit the side of a barn standing inside of the first stall. I CANNOT seem to be able to visualize the 'gentleman' standing the line behind a tank.

Posted by Mike Meyer at January 2, 2009 11:42 PM

BUT should Mike Meyer be proved wrong, let me be the FIRST to congratulate the "gentleman" on his service to his country. (and, of course, Mazeltov)

Posted by Mike Meyer at January 2, 2009 11:49 PM

BUT should Mike Meyer be proved wrong, let me be the FIRST to congratulate the "gentleman" on his service to his country. (and, of course, Mazeltov)

Posted by Mike Meyer at January 2, 2009 11:51 PM

Sure it was intentional.
But, I dunno who listens to whom "in the Arab world," in Cairo or Damascus...A cleric or general may say something there, but who kinows who pays attention on the highest (aka lowest) levels. Not me.

Posted by donescobar at January 3, 2009 01:59 AM

I mean only if he is BEHIND the tank because luck has run out on anything IN FRONT of the tank.

Posted by Mike Meyer at January 3, 2009 02:52 AM

Along with the "disengagement" from Gaza, Sofer was also the first and leading proponent of the separation wall. He is highly influential in the Israeli establishment and has been spearheading a policy movement against Israel's looming "demographic threat" for about two decades. In a country that is increasingly obsessed with counting heads on an ethno-religious basis to ensure a Jewish majority, he is the top head counter. This article from Haaretz offers a decent profile of him and contains more lovely quotes from the man--such as his existential fear of the "Muslim womb." If anyone is interested, you can click on his name to get more info about him and articles that mention him:

Posted by khawaga at January 3, 2009 09:01 AM

From AP:

n an escalation of the conflict in Gaza, Israel Defense Forces say that their ground troops are now moving into the Hamas-ruled territory, according to CNN.

"We have just a short while ago launched the second stage of the operation against Hamas infrastructure," IDF spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich told the news network. Earlier Saturday, Israel began using ground artillery for the first time in the eight-day-old conflict when tanks fired into Gaza from the northern and eastern borders. Saturday morning, Israeli forces dropped thousands of leaflets signed by the commander of the Israeli military warning residents to "leave the area immediately" to ensure their safety.

Can't wait for that third stage!

Posted by Baldie McEagle at January 3, 2009 05:02 PM