Comments: Paul Wolfowitz: Liar, Not Idiot

huh

smart, but not smart enough to avoid fixing the facts around the policy of it's better to do it now, whatever it is

Posted by hibiscus at April 15, 2007 05:25 AM

Pretty clear, really. He knew he and his colleagues were lying.

Posted by Jon Husband at April 15, 2007 09:19 AM

You guys miss the point. And that is, where the blame should be pointed. It's all about the Constichantcy' of the Preznit! And who comprises said 'Contichancy'? Their lies are our lies. When we do little or nothing about it, over time there is no one left who would stand against the lying and ruin eventually comes to all... Tis' an old story. And Wolfie is a bum.

Posted by at April 15, 2007 09:47 AM

Love the old "Communist Menace" gag framed as a justifacation for inhuman behavior, too. A real gol' damn chuckler there...God these people are sick.

Posted by at April 15, 2007 09:52 AM

I remember well Wolfie's remark about the "sea of oil." I agree with the posting here. This was about Saddam's capability to build weapons in the future. Unlike Cheney, Wolfie was not obsessed about controlling Iraq's oil for the benefit of the oil companies. His underlying motive was future security of Israel from nuclear attack.

Posted by Barkley Rosser at April 15, 2007 12:59 PM

BTW, this "lying to the masses" approach was perfectly consistent with the general Straussian attitude, although I am inclined to believe those who say that it was not so much Strauss influencing Wolfowitz, as Wolfie being drawn to Strauss because Strauss already embodied his views.

Posted by Barkley Rosser at April 15, 2007 01:01 PM

How much you want to bet Wolfowitz finds torture AMUSING. The starving of MILLIONS as entertaining. The concept of HUMAN RIGHTS as quaint. His girlfriend more important than ALL those who will die in conflicts he's personally helped start. The welfare of his friends more desirable than commonsense, more VALUABLE than decency. Those traits make him a typical leader in the Bush Administration, about average.

Posted by Mike Meyer at April 15, 2007 01:55 PM

I think Jr.'s bench team of aging cold warriors were all vaguely going through a team strategy that worked in the seventies. Wolfie was, I believe, slotted to Team B, the Cia group that invented a monstrous Soviet advantage in weaponry which became the perfect myth n meme - it was ridden by Reagan into a politically beneficial policy of military keynesianism, and of course it was dumb to begin with, and a fairy tale to boot. Of course, to be fair, Team b was simply reproducing, itself, another old pentagon push, from the late 50s, for more money, that Kennedy rode (that missile gap) into the presidency.

There was something heroic about the Cold War deceptions - involving, as they did, apocalyptic scenarios. But the Saddam has wmd deception was not only non-heroic, it was funny. As funny as the whole notion of WMD, actually, one of those non-categories which simply means: "weapons that the U.S. is not selling at the moment." In the weapons mart, it is like a sign saying out of stock. However, if a military dictatorship wants, say, a delivery system for an atom bomb, aka one of the kind of aircraft that we still manufacture right here in the U.S.A., and can actually export, there are these shiny new Boeing bombers we can guarantee ASAP. And as for the Weapons of Non Mass Destruction like automatic rifles, which just happen to kill vastly more people than any WMD has over the last fifty years - why, everybody can have one of those!

One should always remember that, though it is a good idea to argue about whether Saddam had WMD (or was planning on a commando raid on Fort Knox, with Goldfinger in tow), like a layer cake of rich, creamy shit, the deeper argument is - wmd is a totally bogus category, invented to conform to the U.S.A.'s weapon sales policy at any given time.

Posted by roger at April 15, 2007 02:17 PM

Isn’t this one of Noam Chomsky’s main themes which is in order for the ruling class of a democracy to pursue wars or what ever their little hearts desire is that you need to deceive the population? I believe he said that the most important group to control is the 20 percent of people who are well educated as in doctors, lawyers and most importantly journalists whose job is to feed the propaganda to the population. The other 80 percent are controlled by deflecting their attention from what is actually happening via propaganda, not reporting the real news, and keeping them interested in organized sports and the like. I believe Chomsky had it nailed.

Posted by rob payne at April 15, 2007 03:55 PM

if noam chomsky were dead today, he'd be spinning in his grave

Posted by hibiscus at April 15, 2007 04:36 PM

Turns out Chris Floyd just blogged about the Korean War story--I saw it at the Angry Arab site. Okay, that's enough thread-hijacking for one day (I've pointed this story out at two other sites).

Posted by Donald Johnson at April 15, 2007 06:40 PM

I think Jr.'s bench team of aging cold warriors were all vaguely going through a team strategy that worked in the seventies

Seems to me that at least until now it has worked in these present times as well, more or less. There's been lots of posturing and complaining, but they are still implementing.

Posted by Jon Husband at April 16, 2007 11:17 AM

Implementing what? They are defeated. Done. Finished. Their only goal now is to escape justice and maintain the fortunes they have been given. Their crusade to attack and subvert China and Russia (because that was what this was always really about)is over. They can't attack Iran (at least not effectively) anymore. If we were smart, we would continue laughing these worthless assholes out of Washington.

Posted by at April 16, 2007 03:25 PM